Monday, December 30, 2013

A Chemical Mystery - Can You Solve It?

My wife and I were able to use our chemical knowledge this past week to solve a perplexing problem. I'll post first what we observed and then let you try and figure it out.

We have a gas cooktop in our house here in Minnesota. A couple of weeks ago, the flames on it started burning more orange-like so we called in a repair guy. Non-blue flames are indicative of a rich fuel/oxygen mixture, one that can potentially put out CO, although it is less of a danger for cooktops than furnaces as the former are used for shorter periods of time often with the vent fan running too. But in any case, the regulator was failing and instead of feeding 3-4 inches water column of gas, it was feeding 6-8. A new regulator was installed and the pressure of the gas was reduced to the normal levels, but the orange flames persisted.

We tried adjusting the Venturi openings that let the air into the burners, but that didn't do anything. Besides, it would be freaky odd for all four burners to suddenly have their Venturi openings block at the same time. And then my wife (a Ph. D. in chemistry) found the solution, one which we have been able to positively confirm: by making an adjustment elsewhere in the house, we can on demand change the flames from blue to orange and back again. Neat, huh? And we also know now not to worry about the color of the flame.

Here's some other information that may or may not be helpful to finding the solution. The house is in Minnesota and is sealed up tight for the winter (it was -16 oF this morning!). Since the air is so dry, we run ultrasonic humidifiers in a couple of rooms in the house. About the same time as the problem occurred, we brought a real Christmas tree into the house. We have a dog (a Welsh Terrier), and had house guests staying on and off over the past few weeks. To make meals easier on the cook, we have been using a crockpot (electric slow cooker) a lot the last few weeks. We have hard water and soften it. Speaking of water, we have a gas water heater. Speaking of gas, we have a gas furnace and we also have a gas fireplace on both levels of the house.

With your knowledge of undergraduate chemistry, you now have enough information to solve the "Mystery of the Orange Flame". I will also tell you that the answer has nothing to do with polymers science so to make up for that, I've included a picture of a cute kitten playing with a random polymer coil. (If we had cats at our house (we never will), they would play with random polymer coils and not balls of yarn.)
Why are the flames on the cooktop burner orange and not blue? Start with the water softener. It replaces the calcium and magnesium in the hard water with sodium. That water then goes into the ultrasonic humidifiers. (Distilled water would be a better option, but since these things go through gallons of water a day, it isn't too practical of an option to be trucking in that much distilled.) The humidifier then tosses the sodium into the air where it spreads through the house. Some of it ends up in the feed air to the burner where it burns it's characteristic yellow. Combine that small amount of yellow with a rich blue flame and you get an orange flame.

To further convince ourselves of this, we shut of the humidifiers and after 4 hours, the flames went blue. Turned on the humidifiers and the flames went back to orange. Mystery solved. We were running a good old-fashioned flame test.

My wife then found a video that shows these changes in a most dramatic fashion:
Ignore the audio in the video, as it gives a wrong rationale for the color change. Just look at the pictures. Just that tiny bit of sodium is enough to significantly color the flames.


Richard Helmich said...

In your video you mention silver as the source of the orange color, but in your write up you say sodium. Can you clarify?

Anonymous said...

Come on Richard!

John said...


The video was found on the web; it's not something that I made. I only posted it as it dramatically shows what was happening.

You will also see that I wrote to to ignore what was said in the video as whoever made it was providing bombastic speculation about what was contaminating the flame.

Richard Helmich said...

Paying the price for using my real name and skimming the article too quickly. Nice article, John.

John said...


We've all been there and done that. And not for the last time.

Happy New Year

Unknown said...

Thank you soooo much. I turned on my gas stove to heat up water and notice the burners were a bright orange. Yesterday and today I have been running my sonic humidifier 15 feet away from my stove. Now I know what is causing it.

Mick08 said...

Had the orange flames on the stove today and called the gas company(Semco Energy). They were at our house in less than an hour, rather impressive. They were lost for an explanation other than maybe the gas company had some dirty gas going thru their lines. Told me to check back with them tomorrow and assured us there was no danger. To end this story we had just purchased a ultrasonic humidifier (Pureguardian) from Costco. Problem solved. Thanks

Susan @ Humidifier For Baby said...

Thank you soooo much.The video was found on the web; it's not something that I made. I only posted it as it dramatically shows what was happening.

Howard said...

I noticed on your post you stated that you used softened water to rid the calcium and instead the humidifier put out sodium. I find this interesting because I have had the same problem at my own house except I use Natural Gas and do NOT filter or soften our water.

I work for the local Natural Gas Utility company and therefore decided I better figure this out (I go out on many CO calls in customer homes). I discovered that when there is an ultrasonic humidifier, the orange flame does indeed put out small amounts of Carbon Monoxide, and simply bringing in fresh air and turning off the sonic humidifier eliminates the problem.

On another website, I had read that the sonic Humidifier was dispersing calcium in the air which was causing the problem. Being that where I live, we have very "hard" water with lots of calcium, I assumed that the person may have been right. However, your post shows that it must be something else.

I also have a regular humidifier that works simply by paper absorbing the water and a fan that blows air over the paper. I have never had an issue running this "normal" humidifier.

I have seen this orange flame occur in a few other homes even as recently as yesterday. Working for the gas company, I can assure you it is not a NG issue. It isn't dirty gas or a cracked pipe (unless we are speaking of the venturi tubing on the burner).

I believe there is some kind of chemical reaction going on at the humidifier, but as to the real reason why, I believe the answer lies in how the water is humidified. And to that, I obviously must turn to the foremost expert on CO in the world. Now to remember his name. Used to teach or something at the University of Illinois.

Lea Harrison said...

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Unknown said...

Question, could it be other minerals in the water? I am an HVAC Tech with 15 years experience and have recently run across this issue. If you don't know, improper combustion inside a gas furnace will ruin it by creating soot that plugs up the secondary heat exchanger. So this is a bigger deal than people realize. I have conducted my own experiment using hard water and found that it had yeidled the same results as that of soft water. There is still improper combustion.

Anonymous said...

You saved me a new heater for 500€, many thanks to you and your wife <3


Jo Anne Lorensen said...

I think the HVAC tech above is Owen, who posted on another blog. I too am concerned about the furnace issue. If ultrasonic humidifiers are ruining furnaces, then there are a lot of folks out there with some expensive problems. Also, if he furnace is being plugged up as described, then are people in danger from carbon monoxide???? Help is needed on this. Thanks, Owen!

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